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Almost every time Doug Gordon visits Prospect Park he sees vehicles entering illegally after it is closed to cars at 7 pm. It made him mad, so he got out his video camera.

StreetFilms obtained the footage he took on June 20th near the 3rd Street/P'Park West entrance and truncated it into this enlightening bit. Count along as dozens of drivers break the law!

We think Doug is awesome and we whole-heartedly encourage more concerned citizens to act constructively to highlight what is going on in their community.

<br> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><i>Doug Gordon:</i> [00:00] The park should be closed to traffic any minute now, and I’m out here trying to see how long it’s going to take before someone from the Parks Department or the Police Department, basically whoever’s in charge of closing these gates around the park gets over here to 3<sup>rd</sup> Street. As you can see a lot of bikes are making their way around the park. Cars are still in the park. So we’re just going to hang out. </font></p> <p> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">[pause]</font> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><i>Doug Gordon:</i> [00:37] And that’s ten. </font></p> <p> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">[pause]</font> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><i>Doug Gordon:</i> [00:45] We’re about five or six minutes past seven o’clock, and that might not seem like a giant amount of time, but considering the sun is already going down and the limited amount of time that people have to use the park after work, those five minutes can mean a big deal to a runner, a biker, anyone just going for a stroll, kids on their bikes. Now we can make an exception obviously for the police or any service vehicles, but this guy really doesn’t have much of an excuse. </font></p> <p> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">[pause]</font> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><i>Doug Gordon:</i> [01:14] The problem seems to be that if it’s open people will use it. Either they just don’t know the park hours or they don’t care. </font></p> <p> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">[pause]</font> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><i>Doug Gordon:</i> [01:25] That guy had the walk signal, it didn’t matter. Well I’ve lost count but we definitely have to be over 30 by this point. </font></p> <p> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">[pause]</font> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><i>Doug Gordon:</i> [01:39] Yeah, I’m actually shooting something to track all of the cars. </font></p> <p> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><i>Speaker:</i> [01:43] Look at this, you got parents with kids that are here trying to ride safely. </font></p> <p> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><i>Doug Gordon:</i> [01:49] I was waiting to see how long it would take for someone to come around and do this. Yeah, someone official from the park but I guess it takes people like us to just shut it down. </font></p> <p> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">[pause]</font> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><i>Doug Gordon:</i> [02:07] This person’s going to make a decision, cos we haven’t closed it all the way. But they’re going to go through anyway. </font></p> <p> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"></font></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman">[pause]</font> <br></p> <p><font size="3" face="Times New Roman"><i>Doug Gordon:</i> [02:22] So this is the official park van and it’s quarter after. And you can’t really blame these people because the park probably only provides one van to go around and close all of the exits. </font> <br> </p> http://transcriptdivas.ca/transcription-canada/
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  • Dowd

    I've been moving the barricades for years now. I'm pretty sure Alan M. once told me that Tupper Thomas encouraged us to do it as it takes a long time for the workers to get around.

    I was hassled last summer by the cops, though.

  • http://panix.com/~steveo steveo

    I just got my spring Transportation Alternatives magazine, which says

    “The New York City Council
    and Councilmember Gale
    Brewer have decided once
    again to push legislation
    that would require a three-
    month trial closure of
    the Central and Prospect
    Park Loop Drives from the
    beginning of June through
    the end of August.”

    Any updates on that?

    The current system obviously doesn't work.

  • Bligo

    Give me a break. Hey, are you standing at the park in the morning to see whether they OPEN the gates 15 minutes late, thereby giving the bikers extra car-free time in the morning? "Five minutes are important to people who use the park after work?" And what about the people in the cars trying to get home?

  • t

    Nice try, Bligo, but as much as you pro-car trolls would like to frame the debate as cars versus crazy cyclists, it's not all about bikes.

    The park is open to traffic in the morning from 7 to 9 AM. How many children do you know who want to ride their bikes or go out to play at 6:30 AM?

  • dog walker

    Bligo, that's all fine and good, but how do you explain the people who cut through the gates? Does their need to save a minute or two trump the posted hours and barriers?

  • John M.

    As a frequent early-morning user, I can tell you that the gates in PP are NEVER open late. In fact, they're often early -- at 6:50a you can already see a line of cars lined up at Park Circle like the pole position at Indy. Gates open and by 6:58 they're off to the races.

    Just like anything else in NYC, people do whatever they can get away with.

  • George Taylor

    I take my kids to the Park from time to time even though we live in Sunset Park. I hate when you are in the park when closed with your guard somewhat down and a car comes zooming thru. Being in a park should be one of the least stressful times of the day. Drivers are being selfish. Yes even closing the gates 5 minutes late does make a difference.

  • Flailey

    Come on, you HAVE to have something better to do with your time.

    This is Brooklyn, NYC. Also known as a city of four million people. The cars share the park with bikes.

    Occasionally there's a variation of 15 minutes or so in the gates closing. So what? Every once in awhile a bicyclist runs a red light. OK all the time. Sometimes the subway doesn't come on time. In other news sometimes the bank opens a little late. One time McDonalds switched to lunch at 10:45 and I COULD NOT GET MY DAMM MCMUFFIN UNTIL THE NEXT DAY!!!

    And so on. As for people going through the barriers when there's a gap... yougottabekidding dude. Are you aware you live in BROOKLYN? Have you noticed that every single storefront has pull down metal grates? That's because NORMAL LOCKED DOORS are not enough. Welcome to the city.

    If you want peaceful parks suitable for your little kids with curteous drivers slowing down for them MOVE BACK TO THE SUBURBS from where you very clearly originated.

    You.

    Live.

    In.

    Brooklyn.

    Pay attention, holmes. We're not in Wilmette or Shaker Heights or wherever the hell you came from any more. Put down the video camera and welcome to the big city.

  • http://sustainableflatbush.org Anne (www.sustainableflatbush.org)

    hey flailey, i've been here almost 25 years (and didn't grow up in the 'burbs either), and your definition of brooklyn does not cut it with me. cars in the park does not fall in the same category as late subways or no mcmuffin.

    central and prospect parks were built before the automobile existed, remember? they were never intended to be "shared with cars".

  • Flailey

    The parks were also built before rollerblades and spoiled self-righteous yuppies were invented.

    So by the same logic....

  • George Taylor

    Flailey,

    Speaking about having to have something better to do with your time...

    Does that also include posting extremely long messages on vlogs criticising someone for trying to be constructive in their community?

    I guess you don't have anything better to do...

  • Flailey

    If about 100 words is "extremely long" I recommend doing something about that attention span problem of yours.

    And "constructive" is really just a code word for "things that make my neighboorhod cater to the whims of MY children and MY habits and MY way of doing things"

    Next up, you guys will replace Fulton Mall with stores more suitable for white people. I've seen this movie before, I already know the ending.

    If you want to be "constructive" in your community build low income housing and find jobs for those without masters degrees.

    If you want a pristine green park with no scary cars for Tyler and Sienna to ride bikes in then head to Larchmont and leave Brooklyn to the city dwellers. They also have stripmalls there. You'll love it.

  • http://sustainableflatbush.org Anne (www.sustainableflatbush.org)

    flailey, car-free parks are not in the same category as gentrification. if you are worried about kids with asthma who have no trees on their block (presumably this would NOT include tyler and sienna), they need car-free parks too.

  • http://sustainableflatbush.org Anne (www.sustainableflatbush.org)

    for more on the importance of parks, trees and opportunities for safe exercise for kids (and adults) who live in low-income communities, check out majora carter's work in the south bronx.

    and by the way, "real" city dwellers ride the subway.

  • q

    Why is Flailey just focusing on bikes? What about the other people who come with their kids to barbecue, boat, fish, run, walk, fly kites, play frisbee, play soccer, play Little League, walk their dogs, picnic, etc. It's a little too easy to turn this into "bikers are crazy," so no thanks on the straw man argument, Flailey.

  • Flailey

    So do you want a car-free park or do you want the gates closed on time?

    You guys can't even get it straight. If the original video author wants a car-free park he should say so, instead of complaining about a minor 15 minute delay in closing the gates one time.

    This is a big and extremely dense city that has a lot of conflicting needs and agendas. I'm tired of tunnel-vision NIMBYism. When you live in one of the world's largest and most dense metropolitan areas there are compromises. We have to deal with cars, every city does. This is not the suburbs.

    It's just sad that people consider this kind of mindless activism (OH MY GOD, 15 MINUTES WENT BY) anything other than the utter solipsism that it is.

    There are a lot of things wrong with this city that require focused attention from the "haves" which this video's author obviously is.

    A 15 minute delay on that gate isn't one of those things. Like I said, I've seen this movie. All I'd have to do is buy you guys a couple of parking spaces and a house on long island and you'd be making videos about how they don't open the gates early enough.

  • Lani

    Interesting how Flailey uses terms like "you guys" to describe everyone with one broad brush. How does s/he know that "you guys" aren't also already fighting to build low income housing? That's an ignorant comment...

    Last time I looked, Prospect Park is as diverse a place anywhere in NYC. A car-free Park benefits everyone!!

  • El Flailey

    It benefits everyone except people who use the roads and/or are in cars or trade trucks or taxis or buses.

    Not everyone can live close to the subway, and some people have jobs that involve tools and a work truck, rather than a computer and a desk. You may recognize these people, they are the people that come when you call your landlord to scream about the heat in your tasteful floor-through.

    I realize these facts may come a revelation to you but these people also need to get to their homes and/or jobs elsewhere in Brooklyn.

    "Real city dwellers" ride the bus and drive vans with graffitti on them all day. Oblivious white people with brownstones take the subway and/or stand on the corner with video cameras for no reason.

  • http://www.bikehoustsonst.net IanD

    Silly rabbit, parks are for cars!

    Sheesh, parks for quiet enjoyment, green space, and recreation? What were you thinking? Damn idealists...

  • Bligo

    Change the rules and ban cars, fine. But sit with a video camera and record the fact that sometimes parks employees are 15 minutes late is utterly lame. Of course they might be late. This proves nothing other than stuff in the city doesn't always run on time.

    And if this is about minor rule violations, consider how many cyclist violate laws too. Riding on the sidewalk (illegal!), running red lights, riding the wrong way up a one-way-street, etc. It's an imperfect world and an even more imperfect city. You want to ban cars in the park, that's fine with me. The way to do it is not to prove that city workers are showing up a little late.

  • Heavens to Mergatroid!

    Sure it is an imperfect world, but I always thought the point of an imperfect world is for people that care to try to improve it.

    If someone wants to record video on a street to show why something is wrong, so be it.

    The drives should be car-free. Period. And whatever the rules are now should be strictly enforced.

  • Heavens to Mergatroid!

    To add: the world was imperfect when everyone had polio. Now we have a vaccine for it. To stand around and accept the status quo helps no one.

  • Willis

    "The drives should be car-free. Period. And whatever the rules are now should be strictly enforced."

    The rules now are that cars are allowed in the park twice a day. Do try to keep up. If you're asking for the rules to be changed then make a video about why cars shouldn't be in the park AT ALL.

    Not about the blindingly obvious, which is that park workers have a 15 minute margin of error for routine maintenance.

  • nobody

    I love it when Gothamist or Curbed links to posts like this. Then you get a whole bunch of snarky comments by people who know absolutley zero about the issue at hand.

    Central and Prospect Parks are for people, not cars. Period.

  • Heavens to Mergatroid!

    Keep up? What makes you think I didn't know that already?

    I said whatever the rules are now should be enforced, which means NO CARS after 7 pm. And I didn't make the video and have no intention of making one about cars not being in the park at all. But I do support the park being car free.

    Maybe you should make a movie about how people can be 15 minutes late for everything. That's a great way we can all behave.

  • Flailey

    "I love it when Gothamist or Curbed links to posts like this. Then you get a whole bunch of snarky comments by people who know absolutley zero about the issue at hand."

    I live, work, and vote in Brooklyn and I use Prospect Park regularly. In fact I've never driven a car through it my life, I've only used it for recreation. But I do have the capacity for empathy.

    I'm also sick of the same tired "activism" in my neighborhood by people who don't speak for me.

    "Central and Prospect Parks are for people, not cars. Period"

    Period? You mean in your opinion, right? You've obviously been overruled by a duly elected government here.

    If you want to ban cars from the park THEN DO SOMETHING TO BAN CARS FROM THE PARK instead of complaining about 15 minutes. There is a context to this discussion you know, and it's the video above, not all possible points of view.

    And while you're at it be prepared to acknowledge that smart people who actually live here too might not agree with you.

    There's a very strong tendency for well educated, upper middle class, liberal, white people who move to previously marginal neighborhoods to act in predictable ways. They want everything preserved *just* the way it was when they got there. Let's keep crumbling factories and giant unsafe railyards instead of building a real downtown. Besides who watches basketball? Certainly not my friends from the proto-lesbian-vegan-wicca-book-club. Isn't basketball a sport dominted by black people?

    Oh wait...

  • El Flailey

    "I love it when Gothamist or Curbed links to posts like this. Then you get a whole bunch of snarky comments by people who know absolutley zero about the issue at hand."

    I live, work, and vote in Brooklyn and I use Prospect Park regularly. In fact I've never driven a car through it my life, I've only used it for recreation. But I do have the capacity for empathy.

    I'm also sick of the same tired "activism" in my neighborhood by people who don't speak for me.

    "Central and Prospect Parks are for people, not cars. Period"

    Period? You mean in your opinion, right? You've obviously been overruled by a duly elected government here.

    If you want to ban cars from the park THEN DO SOMETHING TO BAN CARS FROM THE PARK instead of complaining about 15 minutes. There is a context to this discussion you know, and it's the video above, not all possible points of view.

    And while you're at it be prepared to acknowledge that smart people who actually live here too might not agree with you.

    There's a very strong tendency for well educated, upper middle class, liberal, white people who move to previously marginal neighborhoods to act in predictable ways. They want everything preserved *just* the way it was when they got there. Let's keep crumbling factories and giant unsafe railyards instead of building a real downtown. Besides who watches basketball? Certainly not my friends from the proto-lesbian-vegan-wicca-book-club. Isn't basketball a sport dominted by black people?

    Oh wait...

  • Jason

    Flailey, you're description of the suburbs is all wrong. The car culture, the accidents, the gas stations are much more prevalent in the suburbs...not the city.

    This city was designed before the car...Cars/SUVs and driving in general are the influence of the suburbs encroaching on our city. So its YOU who needs to go to the suburbs! Let the city kids have their park to play in.

  • Jason

    "you're" should read "your" (sorry)

  • Brooklyn Trolley Dodger

    Hey, Flailey and Bligo,
    Congratulations for standing up to the cycling obsessives.

    You broke their cacoon that insulates them from reality. They sit around this blog all day, ruminating on what a beautiful world it coud be and how misguided everyone is who doesn't have a bike.

    It is like a mutual masturbation society and when someone throws in a differing opinion, the darlings don't like their staus quo shattered

    They rail not only against cars, but even pedestrians.

    Witness the comment by 'Nobody' at #23:
    "I love it when Gothamist or Curbed links to posts like this. Then you get a whole bunch of snarky comments by people who know absolutley zero about the issue at hand."

    Oh, yeah, And you do, buster? No one else knows anything about traffic patterns and the law except you and your little friends at Trans/ Alt?

    The obsessive person who took the video should give equal time to illegal actions by cyclists. Stand at PPW and Union and see how many damn cyclists run the red light.

    Now watch them come after me!

    Sorry, guys, I know the truth hurts.
    Simple fact: most people don't like cyclists the way they currently behave.
    Clean up your act before you criticize others.

  • realistism

    You losers with that much time on your hands, go plant some trees in all the empty treeboxes. It's 15 minutes of open gates.

    Central and Prospect Parks were built with roads, for automobiles. Trying to remove vehicles for your own cynical, self-righteous reasons is childish. Go volunteer with your extra time.

  • mel

    cyclists tend to be assholes

    but not nearly as bad as drivers
    cars have no place in prospect park - ever

    unfortunately any debate about cars in the park is wekend when the behavior of cyclists is used as a counter-attack.

    that leaves us pedestrians screwed from both sides.

    but i'll say it again

    cars have NO place in prospect park, this is a wrong that desperately needs to be righted

  • mel

    hey realistism,

    both parks were built before cars were invented.

    nice try though, play again

  • Heavens to Mergatroid!

    Number 30, please see Number 24. Next.

  • http://www.livablestreets.com/people/trorb/ Clarence

    I'll chime in here a bit.

    While there is room for healthy debate on this issue, please keep the discussion civil. There were a few comments I saw on Curbed that went beyond that and I will delete any that stray in that area.

    As the video editor, I can't tell you the numbers of times people complain about cars illegally entering the Park during times they are not allowed. This is a big issue.

    I think Doug did a great job and there is nothing wrong with him using his time to highlight something illegal. Some people use their free time to do advocacy, some like to hang out with their family, some fight for lower income housing, some watch "Jeopardy". It's a personal choice.

    This is not just a cycling issue. It is an issue all people who walk, bike, play ball, ride horses, have BBQs in the Park care about. And illegal behavior by drivers is another aspect to highlight in the move to close our parks to cars.

  • adam white

    It's wonderful having a dialogue about the issue of whether we should have cars in parks or not. It's a shame that much of this dialogue doesn't focus on the pros and cons or costs and benefits of having cars in parks v. restricting their use but rather becomes name-calling with racial and class undertones. It's quite possible if both sides tone down the rhetoric, solutions could be reached that better consider the needs of the community. For example, perhaps if the City provided better mass transit options, folks would not have to rely on cars as much. Personally -- and I will disclaim here that I am an outspoke critic of our society's in general and the City's in particular reliance on cars -- I challenge those car advocates among you to explain why the rest of us should continue to subsidize private car use in terms of free parking on City streets and why we should all bear the cost of your driving a car in terms of pollution not to mention the hazzards of being killed or maimed while you are the only ones enjoying the benefit(s) (if there are any) of driving? AW

  • SPer

    One of the most outrageous things about letting cars use Prospect Park is that the time saved for automobile commuters is minimal. There is very little difference in the distance you drive if you use the Park versus the adjacent streets, and the time gained by avoiding traffic is probably about 3 minutes. Just go take a look -- traffic on Prospect Park West moves along just fine between 5pm and 7pm. Why are we giving Park Drive West over to cars as well? Ditto Flatbush along the Park in the morning rush.

    So what we have is a situation in which hundreds of people who would like to use the park to exercise or take a quiet walk or practice baseball skills with their kid after work has to deal with a stream of cars, each one carrying just a single commuter who is getting home just a tiny bit faster.

    It's the poorest allocation of valuable park space imaginable.

    Not to mention the fact that only a small minority of Brooklynites use a car to commute!

    It's all especially grotesque in teh summer time when it's light out and people go to the park after work. There are commuters driving their cars through the park at the prime time for after work recreation.

    There are too many stupid comments to respond to on this thread. But the most grotesque of all is the idea that it is ELITIST to want cars out of Prospect Park. My god. It's wealthy people who have second homes nestled in nature; it's wealthy people who have gym memberships where they can exercise unmolested by automobiles; and it's wealthy people who have backyards. For the rest of us, Prospect Park is our second home and green respite and aerobic studio all in one. And we would really like it to be car-free.

  • hmm

    I'm against cars in Prospect Park AND I'm against cyclists riding on the sidewalks. It's possible to be against both, and the fact that there are rude bikers out there has little impact on this argument. Bad behavior in one place doesn't excuse it somewhere else.

    If someone would like to film cyclists on the sidewalks, go right ahead. It's a valid complaint. But I fail to see how it has anything to do with what's happening in this case. Let's keep the debate on-topic.

  • lance

    The law states that the park is closed to automobiles after 7:00pm. It is next to impossible for the Parks Department to enforce this law as diligently as you (or I) would like. Why not put your camera down for a second and put the partitions in place yourself? In your video, one cyclist attempted to do this, but he didn't have the good sense to do it in a manner in which cars couldn't simply drive right between them. If it's after 7:00pm and you notice the gates haven't yet been closed, CLOSE THEM! Whining about how it's unfair does about as much good as egging on the pro-car people. Your whiny inaction and lack of common sense only reinforces the stereotype of entitled and myopic impotence that characterizes our neighborhood (hey, if the shoe fits...). IF IT'S 7:03 AND YOU SEE THE GATES ARE STILL OPEN, QUIT BITCHING AND CLOSE THEM!

  • http://www.livablestreets.com/people/trorb/ Clarence

    Actually Lance:

    As commenter #1 pointed out, he was hassled for doing just that. I was too many years ago and I know of others who have.

    The drivers are the ones breaking the law, not us.

  • Judge Judy

    I don't know what these people like more - the self-righteous sound of their own voice or the enjoyment of an automobile-free park after 7pm. If that fifteen minutes is SO IMPORTANT to you, then CLOSE THE FUCKING GATES YOURSELF and go enjoy the park... Case Closed.

  • Brooklyn Trolley Dodger

    Yes, the two Parks were built before cars.
    And before bicycles too!!

    However, horses wee permitted - encouraged - on the park drives. (That is how Harlem River Drive got its name - not from driven cars, but from driven horse carriages that would rally there on Sunday afternoons in the late 19th century. It was a natural evolution from horse carriages to horseless carriages)

    Ever walk over horse manure on a rainy day to get to the Long Meadow? That's fun. Let's return to those days.

    Shall we ban bikes and cars and return to horses?
    Is that the historicity you seek?

    Fact is, there were cars on those drives for over a century. I remember in the late 40s, as a child, seeing the cars in Prospect Park.

    No one complained then. It wasn't till the 80s or so until Yuppies started invading our fair borough that there was talk of closing the park.

    And, Clarence, I can't tell you how many times people have complained about illegal cyclists. A lot more people than who complain about 15 minutes of tardiness by a city employee.

    I think the comments from non-Transportation Alterntive people today reflect that overall sense of disdain the general population feels towards cyclists. Why? Becaue they seem constantly to be violating our laws.

    I realize these 'outside' comments are disturbing to the insular world of cycling advocates, but they reflect the general sense of what non-cycling New Yorkers feel about cyclists.

    As I said, to be fair, equitable and unbiased, Doug should video tape how many cyclists run red lights at PPW and Union Street, to name but one example.

    And Adam White above wants cars to be charged for parking on city streets. Fine, they are, Adam. That is why there are thousands and thousands of parking meters and garages in the city.

    Again, to be fair and neutral, shouldn't bikes be charged as well for parking on public sidewalks?

    And what about the cyclist who forever chains her bike to my building landing - private property?

    Time to clean up your act, guys and gals. if you want respect, you must give respect.

  • http://pedalpusherbikeshop.com Roger

    I have been an auxiliary police officer in Central Park for thirty years. At various times, the task of closing the gates to motorized traffic has been mandated to NYPD, Parks Dept, and others. Often, we auxiliaries notice the gates open and we close them.

    Motorists, including taxis, often feel that a few minutes after the closing time will not affect joggers, cyclists, pedestrians, and others. The city has been lucky that vulnerable users haven't been hurt by a two-ton missile hurtling down the closed roadway after closing time. It's just a matter of time before someone gets creamed at 7:15 pm by a driver who says he entered at 6:59.

    I advocate requiring all vehicles to exit immediately at closing time, and not to continue cruising around after the closing bell.

    I advocate citizens closing the gates at any time the entrance should be closed.

    Good luck!

  • “Che” Flailey

    "But the most grotesque of all is the idea that it is ELITIST to want cars out of Prospect Park. My god. It’s wealthy people who have second homes nestled in nature; it’s wealthy people who have gym memberships where they can exercise unmolested by automobiles; and it’s wealthy people who have backyards."

    And it's wealthy people who are in a position to sit at a computer with an internet connection at 2:00 in the afternoon and have pointless debates about this kind of thing. It's also wealthy people that can afford video cameras and video editing software and the time to spend on this stuff. It's also wealthy people that buy $2000 bikes. If you have one of those STFU please. Thanks in advance.

    Who the hell are you kidding pretending to be non-elitist? Give it a rest. Seriously, this entire thing is a circle jerk. The working poor aren't exactly reading this blog. And the OP isn't one of them in any event.

    In every single major land-use/resource argument that I've observed in this borough, from cars in prospect park to bike lanes to Ikea to Atlantic Crossing, it's been upper class well educated whites on one side and the working class minorities (who are a majority of this borough) on the other. Apologies for pointing out the obvious but not everyone wants what you want.

    Get together a rally to ban cars from the park where 90% or more of the attendees aren't white, with bachelors degree or higher, born outside of the five boroughs, and earning 3x the minimum wage or more. Let's see it.

    As soon as I do I'll rescind my elistist comments. Ain't holding my breath.

  • adam white

    Hey Brooklyn Trolley Dodger, I would be happy to pay my share for parking on City Streets provided that the charge applies to cars as well and is done on a square foot usage basis. I'm also happy to pay for the CO2 emissions I breath out in exchange for car driver's paying for their emissions.

  • Heavens to Mergatroid!

    Amazing, this video is about drivers breaking the law and all people can do is shift the debate to other things. That's a key debate tactic used when people are on the losing end.

  • Brooklyn Trolley Dodger

    Great going, Adam (#45). You are one in a thousand.

    Anyone else out there who agrees with Adam?
    Any Transportation Alternative member willing to lobby for parking meters for bikes?

    Or is Adam the Devil's Advocate?

  • Carl “Flailey” Sagan

    Amazing, this video is about drivers breaking the law FOR 15 MINUTES WHEN THE GATES WEREN'T CLOSED and all people can do is shift the debate to other things LIKE BANNING CARS PERMANENTLY FROM THE PARK.

    That’s a key debate tactic used when people are on the losing end.

    YUP, THANKS FOR YOUR CANDOR

  • adam white

    . . . and Che Flaiey, I'm glad to see we have a spokesperson on this blog who speaks for the huddled non-white and uneducated masses : 0

  • hbk

    $2,000 bike? I use a $45 bike to get around the Park. What does that make me?