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	<title>Comments on: Daylighting: Make Your Crosswalks Safer</title>
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		<title>By: Bronwyn R.</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-27161</link>
		<dc:creator>Bronwyn R.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 05 Oct 2009 04:38:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Glad you guys thought to show Portland, OR and show how the city has conbined the added safety of &quot;day-lighting&quot; with the installment of bioswales to filter our city&#039;s (abundant) stormwater runoff all while creating more attractive pedestrian experiences!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Glad you guys thought to show Portland, OR and show how the city has conbined the added safety of "day-lighting" with the installment of bioswales to filter our city's (abundant) stormwater runoff all while creating more attractive pedestrian experiences!</p>
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		<title>By: Joe Linton</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-24891</link>
		<dc:creator>Joe Linton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 11 Sep 2009 18:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>There is one thing to be careful of - done frequently in the car-centric city of Los Angeles. Our DOT daylights parking 30-50+ feet at these intersections, then jams a left turn pocket into the center of the street. A tad more visibility... but it pushes moving cars out to the right, closer to the pedestrians at the corner. This turns a 4-lane road into a 5-lane road at intersections.

This is certainly not what the (excellent) video is advocating... it&#039;s just a cautionary note that when you start removing some of the space from parked cars, be careful that space doesn&#039;t get reallocated to moving cars.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is one thing to be careful of - done frequently in the car-centric city of Los Angeles. Our DOT daylights parking 30-50+ feet at these intersections, then jams a left turn pocket into the center of the street. A tad more visibility... but it pushes moving cars out to the right, closer to the pedestrians at the corner. This turns a 4-lane road into a 5-lane road at intersections.</p>
<p>This is certainly not what the (excellent) video is advocating... it's just a cautionary note that when you start removing some of the space from parked cars, be careful that space doesn't get reallocated to moving cars.</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Cohn</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-21011</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Cohn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 21 Jul 2009 21:25:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>How about calling it &quot;eye-sighting&quot;? 

It&#039;s increasing the sight lines by widening the periphery.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about calling it "eye-sighting"? </p>
<p>It's increasing the sight lines by widening the periphery.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark K.</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-19108</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark K.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Jun 2009 00:22:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Daylighting intersections is a great idea for not only pedestrians, but motorists and cyclists as well.

By moving the vehicles back from the intersection by approximately one car length, those approaching to cross the intersection have a better view of traffic approaching or at the intersection.

To those who claim that pedestrians can move off the sidewalk and use the parked car as kind of a barrier need to consider that such action may set drivers moving through the intersection for a traffic ticket, depending on how the officer interprets and applies the law.  I have seen tickets issued with a pedestrian stepped off the curb mid-block as a driver went by, never mind there wasn&#039;t an intersection right there and even had the driver slammed on his brakes, he would have been beyond the pedestrian by the time he came to a stop.  Even if such tickets get dismissed in the end, it costs everyone time and money needlessly.


I would prefer to see such daylighting measures include building up a bulb-out or something to provide a physical barrier and discourage parking.  As many can attest, open pavement that is not physically blocked off will become a parking spot, even if illegally.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Daylighting intersections is a great idea for not only pedestrians, but motorists and cyclists as well.</p>
<p>By moving the vehicles back from the intersection by approximately one car length, those approaching to cross the intersection have a better view of traffic approaching or at the intersection.</p>
<p>To those who claim that pedestrians can move off the sidewalk and use the parked car as kind of a barrier need to consider that such action may set drivers moving through the intersection for a traffic ticket, depending on how the officer interprets and applies the law.  I have seen tickets issued with a pedestrian stepped off the curb mid-block as a driver went by, never mind there wasn't an intersection right there and even had the driver slammed on his brakes, he would have been beyond the pedestrian by the time he came to a stop.  Even if such tickets get dismissed in the end, it costs everyone time and money needlessly.</p>
<p>I would prefer to see such daylighting measures include building up a bulb-out or something to provide a physical barrier and discourage parking.  As many can attest, open pavement that is not physically blocked off will become a parking spot, even if illegally.</p>
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		<title>By: Greg</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18824</link>
		<dc:creator>Greg</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 22:00:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I kinda like &quot;transparent corners.&quot; Or perhaps &quot;visible corners.&quot; Has a nice positive ring without sounding like a trademarked word.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I kinda like "transparent corners." Or perhaps "visible corners." Has a nice positive ring without sounding like a trademarked word.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Sacramento</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18470</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in Sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 Feb 2009 00:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To me, in the graphic at the top, &quot;before&quot; looks way safer than &quot;after.&quot;

In &quot;before,&quot; the parked cars constrain the moving auto, provide a barrier protection for the pedestrians and reduce the effective crossing distance.

In &quot;after,&quot; the peds are much more exposed to the vicissitudes of the approaching motorist.  

But, then again, I&#039;m not crazy about bike boxes either :-).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To me, in the graphic at the top, "before" looks way safer than "after."</p>
<p>In "before," the parked cars constrain the moving auto, provide a barrier protection for the pedestrians and reduce the effective crossing distance.</p>
<p>In "after," the peds are much more exposed to the vicissitudes of the approaching motorist.  </p>
<p>But, then again, I'm not crazy about bike boxes either <img src='http://www.streetfilms.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> .</p>
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		<title>By: Gil Kulick</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18462</link>
		<dc:creator>Gil Kulick</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Feb 2009 17:44:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not clear to me what daylighting accomplishes that couldn&#039;t be accomplished by bulb-outs of the sidewalks into the intersection to the depth of the parking lane? This would provide the desired visibility of and for pedestrians without inviting or permitting sharper right-hand turns or losing parking spaces, which is usually the biggest source of resistance to street changes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It's not clear to me what daylighting accomplishes that couldn't be accomplished by bulb-outs of the sidewalks into the intersection to the depth of the parking lane? This would provide the desired visibility of and for pedestrians without inviting or permitting sharper right-hand turns or losing parking spaces, which is usually the biggest source of resistance to street changes.</p>
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		<title>By: Martin Pion</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18450</link>
		<dc:creator>Martin Pion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Feb 2009 05:55:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The UK Zebra Crossing was mentioned in the first post. To find an official on-line reference go to the link at http://tinyurl.com/6jbybk and croll down to #19 to see an illustration. 
Zebra Crossings, as they are popularly known, were first proposed in parliament by Lord Belisha many decades ago and have been very successful. The flashing round orange lamps marking the crossing are called &quot;Belisha beacons.&quot; The zig-zag no-parking zone is an essential element and as is pointed out in this Streetfilms video, provides much improved visibility for pedestrians waiting to cross. 
Something to note: if a vehicle operator hits a pedestrian in such a crossing it is treated very seriously by the courts. Also, because of the expense of installation, they are only approved when the combination of ADT [Average Daily Traffic count] plus the number of pedestrians wanting to cross at this location meets minimum criteria. They don&#039;t just slap these in whenever pedestrians call for them. 
These details are what help to make these crossings effective, in contrast to the minimalist approach in the U.S. where just a couple of parallel painted lines, stop bars, plus sign panels are all that are required and they tend to be overused.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The UK Zebra Crossing was mentioned in the first post. To find an official on-line reference go to the link at <a href="http://tinyurl.com/6jbybk" rel="nofollow">http://tinyurl.com/6jbybk</a> and croll down to #19 to see an illustration.<br />
Zebra Crossings, as they are popularly known, were first proposed in parliament by Lord Belisha many decades ago and have been very successful. The flashing round orange lamps marking the crossing are called "Belisha beacons." The zig-zag no-parking zone is an essential element and as is pointed out in this Streetfilms video, provides much improved visibility for pedestrians waiting to cross.<br />
Something to note: if a vehicle operator hits a pedestrian in such a crossing it is treated very seriously by the courts. Also, because of the expense of installation, they are only approved when the combination of ADT [Average Daily Traffic count] plus the number of pedestrians wanting to cross at this location meets minimum criteria. They don't just slap these in whenever pedestrians call for them.<br />
These details are what help to make these crossings effective, in contrast to the minimalist approach in the U.S. where just a couple of parallel painted lines, stop bars, plus sign panels are all that are required and they tend to be overused.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy B from Jersey</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18445</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy B from Jersey</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 06 Feb 2009 05:45:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I said this on Streetsblog and I&#039;ll say it again here.  Parking within 25 feet of a crosswalk and 50 feet in front of a stop sign is illegal in New Jersey and most other places in the US.  There are obvious public safety reasons for these rules.  The only reason NY allows (that I can think of) is to squeeze in more on-street parking.

Also roads narrowed by parked cars don&#039;t seem to have any effect on NYC drivers especially when you add the enhanced speed effect you get when driving down roads with very tall buildings on either side.  I think you can throw out the most basic traffic calming rules with NYC drivers.  It seems only extreme traffic calming measures could have any effect here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I said this on Streetsblog and I'll say it again here.  Parking within 25 feet of a crosswalk and 50 feet in front of a stop sign is illegal in New Jersey and most other places in the US.  There are obvious public safety reasons for these rules.  The only reason NY allows (that I can think of) is to squeeze in more on-street parking.</p>
<p>Also roads narrowed by parked cars don't seem to have any effect on NYC drivers especially when you add the enhanced speed effect you get when driving down roads with very tall buildings on either side.  I think you can throw out the most basic traffic calming rules with NYC drivers.  It seems only extreme traffic calming measures could have any effect here.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Frishauf</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18433</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Frishauf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Feb 2009 06:21:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Last May DOT undertook some very effective daylighting at one intersection of Riverside Drive and 79th Street in Manhattan.  And they did it after I ran into DOT&#039;s Manhattan Borough Commissioner Margaret Forgione at a meeting of Community Board 7.  I mentioned the problem with the intersection, she asked me to email her, and within weeks she had engineers look at the intersection.  DOT agreed with my assessment that two parking spaces be removed from the corner, and they had new signs up a few weeks later.  So the lesson, here, is speak up and let DOT know.  For dramatic before and after picturs, see my post over at StreetsWiki: http://www.livablestreets.com/projects/dangerous-intersections/79th-street-and-riverside-drive.

Another thought: we get automatic daylighting when there&#039;s a fire hydrant at a corner! Take a moment to appreciate the street view the next time you visit a corner with that piece of street furniture.  Not only does it improve your experience, it can save lives, and become a play sprinkler in the summers.  Oh, yes, of course dogs like them too (is it the competitive hydrant instinct?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Last May DOT undertook some very effective daylighting at one intersection of Riverside Drive and 79th Street in Manhattan.  And they did it after I ran into DOT's Manhattan Borough Commissioner Margaret Forgione at a meeting of Community Board 7.  I mentioned the problem with the intersection, she asked me to email her, and within weeks she had engineers look at the intersection.  DOT agreed with my assessment that two parking spaces be removed from the corner, and they had new signs up a few weeks later.  So the lesson, here, is speak up and let DOT know.  For dramatic before and after picturs, see my post over at StreetsWiki: <a href="http://www.livablestreets.com/projects/dangerous-intersections/79th-street-and-riverside-drive" rel="nofollow">http://www.livablestreets.com/projects/dangerous-intersections/79th-street-and-riverside-drive</a>.</p>
<p>Another thought: we get automatic daylighting when there's a fire hydrant at a corner! Take a moment to appreciate the street view the next time you visit a corner with that piece of street furniture.  Not only does it improve your experience, it can save lives, and become a play sprinkler in the summers.  Oh, yes, of course dogs like them too (is it the competitive hydrant instinct?)</p>
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		<title>By: Ian D</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18427</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian D</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 19:40:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Teb above is right - and wrong.

Daylighting is not really for the people crossing the street from which the parking is removed, though it helps visibility for them. 

What daylighting is REALLY for is the people who are crossing the cross-street! Imagine a vehicle approaching an intersection, and that vehicle is going to make a turn onto the cross-street. The vehicle has a green light at the same time that peds crossing the cross-street have a walk signal - so everybody goes! And therein lies the danger - the biggest killer of pedestrians, I believe - the right-hook (or left-hook). 

If the driver is unaware that someone is crossing because of a combination of poor visibility, excessive speed, and unwillingness to yield (aggressiveness), the pedestrian pays the price. If we remove the obstacles to the driver&#039;s field of view, we can at least hope that the driver will be motivated to not run over the people who he or she can now see clearly.

When NYC DOT proposed daylighting along the length of Washington St. in the West Village that you show in the video, they had very good visuals as to why daylighting was helpful - especially on the left-side for left-turns, due to the geometry of the driver sitting on the left. We (the Community Board) have taken the extra step, now, to push for replacement uses for those daylighted spaces - bike parking, greening, and amenities like benches, where neighbors can enjoy their community. As we all know, a spot marked &quot;No Parking&quot; or &quot;No Standing&quot; is a welcome mat for large delivery trucks - the worst vehicle imaginable in a spot that was supposed to be for daylighting!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Teb above is right - and wrong.</p>
<p>Daylighting is not really for the people crossing the street from which the parking is removed, though it helps visibility for them. </p>
<p>What daylighting is REALLY for is the people who are crossing the cross-street! Imagine a vehicle approaching an intersection, and that vehicle is going to make a turn onto the cross-street. The vehicle has a green light at the same time that peds crossing the cross-street have a walk signal - so everybody goes! And therein lies the danger - the biggest killer of pedestrians, I believe - the right-hook (or left-hook). </p>
<p>If the driver is unaware that someone is crossing because of a combination of poor visibility, excessive speed, and unwillingness to yield (aggressiveness), the pedestrian pays the price. If we remove the obstacles to the driver's field of view, we can at least hope that the driver will be motivated to not run over the people who he or she can now see clearly.</p>
<p>When NYC DOT proposed daylighting along the length of Washington St. in the West Village that you show in the video, they had very good visuals as to why daylighting was helpful - especially on the left-side for left-turns, due to the geometry of the driver sitting on the left. We (the Community Board) have taken the extra step, now, to push for replacement uses for those daylighted spaces - bike parking, greening, and amenities like benches, where neighbors can enjoy their community. As we all know, a spot marked "No Parking" or "No Standing" is a welcome mat for large delivery trucks - the worst vehicle imaginable in a spot that was supposed to be for daylighting!</p>
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		<title>By: teb</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18425</link>
		<dc:creator>teb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 17:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I concur with Chris in Sacramento! This isn&#039;t a good idea for safety at all! (unless maybe if they are replaced by bulb-outs with a tight turning radius). This is typical old-fashioned traffic thinking; remove all obstacles, increase sight distances and assume people are idiots driving bumper cars! Even if it is marginally (and i&#039;m not saying it is) safer for the pedestrian crossing directly in front of a car (perpendicular), what about the pedestrian crossing parallel to a car? If this is at a light or stop sign, the car should already be coming to a full stop before turning when people are crossing (doesn&#039;t work if they&#039;re crossing against the light). It&#039;s the people crossing parallel to right turning cars that are the major concern at intersections.  Any increase in speed is bad for them. 

And people frequently queue up on the asphalt, basically in the street, behind the protection of a parked cars (could be a bulbout). This decreases the effective crossing distance which is huge for pedestrian safety.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I concur with Chris in Sacramento! This isn't a good idea for safety at all! (unless maybe if they are replaced by bulb-outs with a tight turning radius). This is typical old-fashioned traffic thinking; remove all obstacles, increase sight distances and assume people are idiots driving bumper cars! Even if it is marginally (and i'm not saying it is) safer for the pedestrian crossing directly in front of a car (perpendicular), what about the pedestrian crossing parallel to a car? If this is at a light or stop sign, the car should already be coming to a full stop before turning when people are crossing (doesn't work if they're crossing against the light). It's the people crossing parallel to right turning cars that are the major concern at intersections.  Any increase in speed is bad for them. </p>
<p>And people frequently queue up on the asphalt, basically in the street, behind the protection of a parked cars (could be a bulbout). This decreases the effective crossing distance which is huge for pedestrian safety.</p>
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		<title>By: Dave</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18420</link>
		<dc:creator>Dave</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 30 Jan 2009 02:29:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A name suggestion........&quot;curb cropping&quot; in lieu of &quot;daylighting.&quot;  &quot;Crop&quot; in the sense of reducing the parking spaces and &quot;crop&quot; in the sense of new growth (planted, perhaps) in the claimed area.

A GREAT IDEA.

DAVE W. BROOKLYN, NY</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A name suggestion........"curb cropping" in lieu of "daylighting."  "Crop" in the sense of reducing the parking spaces and "crop" in the sense of new growth (planted, perhaps) in the claimed area.</p>
<p>A GREAT IDEA.</p>
<p>DAVE W. BROOKLYN, NY</p>
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		<title>By: Joanna Smith</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18418</link>
		<dc:creator>Joanna Smith</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 21:40:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This makes so much sense, especially the built-out version where drivers can&#039;t even be tempted to stand for a minute.  The name should be something having to do with increased visibility:  HighViz, SuperSight, Clearcorner, Lowrise.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This makes so much sense, especially the built-out version where drivers can't even be tempted to stand for a minute.  The name should be something having to do with increased visibility:  HighViz, SuperSight, Clearcorner, Lowrise.</p>
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		<title>By: Julie</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18417</link>
		<dc:creator>Julie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:05:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sweet vid - a concept that puts 2 and 2 together. 

Daylighting = New Corners or the P Walk.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sweet vid - a concept that puts 2 and 2 together. </p>
<p>Daylighting = New Corners or the P Walk.</p>
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		<title>By: Wendy Scher</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18416</link>
		<dc:creator>Wendy Scher</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 29 Jan 2009 20:03:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bike parking on the street next to an intersection?  I don&#039;t think so!!  Our present bike racks are close enough to moving vehicles as it is.  The only people that streetcorner bike racks would benefit are scrappers looking for a few more destroyed bikes to cash in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bike parking on the street next to an intersection?  I don't think so!!  Our present bike racks are close enough to moving vehicles as it is.  The only people that streetcorner bike racks would benefit are scrappers looking for a few more destroyed bikes to cash in.</p>
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		<title>By: Stefan Langeveld (Amsterdam)</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18373</link>
		<dc:creator>Stefan Langeveld (Amsterdam)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 16 Jan 2009 10:27:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I support Chris in Sacramento: risk compensation at work. If you can see less when approaching, you will slow down and vice versa. 
Better to continue with seats and other furniture, art at the corners or in the middle of the intersection. 
Create a social/human environment, use intrigue. 
Read Mental Speed Bumps http://mentalspeedbumps.com .</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I support Chris in Sacramento: risk compensation at work. If you can see less when approaching, you will slow down and vice versa.<br />
Better to continue with seats and other furniture, art at the corners or in the middle of the intersection.<br />
Create a social/human environment, use intrigue.<br />
Read Mental Speed Bumps <a href="http://mentalspeedbumps.com" rel="nofollow">http://mentalspeedbumps.com</a> .</p>
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		<title>By: tb</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18369</link>
		<dc:creator>tb</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 05:35:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Muni uses this at some tight corners so that the buses can make their turn. There&#039;s a red curb on Ashbury at Haight St, for instance. Of course, there&#039;s almost always a car parked in that red zone, what with parking being so scarce in the Haight. I agree that bulb-outs are much more effective than simply &quot;removing&quot; a parking place.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Muni uses this at some tight corners so that the buses can make their turn. There's a red curb on Ashbury at Haight St, for instance. Of course, there's almost always a car parked in that red zone, what with parking being so scarce in the Haight. I agree that bulb-outs are much more effective than simply "removing" a parking place.</p>
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		<title>By: Joann Gomez-Bugari</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18366</link>
		<dc:creator>Joann Gomez-Bugari</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 02:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s a great idea----this would make it safer for pedestrians and drivers.  What about for the one&#039;s that do enable this service .....&quot;Caring Crosswalk&quot;  or &quot;Pedestrian Friendly Walkway&quot; 

 ---a very large percentage of people in the city use mass transit and walk or bicycle to their jobs and schools-they do not have the safety of a car with airbags of metal to protect them----they have rights as well---and they are the ones taking a risk day after day.....Great topic Clarence---keep up the good work and public awareness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it's a great idea----this would make it safer for pedestrians and drivers.  What about for the one's that do enable this service ....."Caring Crosswalk"  or "Pedestrian Friendly Walkway" </p>
<p> ---a very large percentage of people in the city use mass transit and walk or bicycle to their jobs and schools-they do not have the safety of a car with airbags of metal to protect them----they have rights as well---and they are the ones taking a risk day after day.....Great topic Clarence---keep up the good work and public awareness.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris in Sacramento</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/daylighting-make-your-crosswalks-safer/comment-page-1/#comment-18364</link>
		<dc:creator>Chris in Sacramento</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 15 Jan 2009 00:31:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Removing parked cars is good for beautification, and that&#039;s reason enough to do more of it.  And in-street bike parking is the best! 

But removing the parked cars as a safety tool?  One can currently treat the parked cars as bulb outs of sorts;  while waiting to cross the street,  stand near the end of the car bumper, not on the curb. The short street crossing benefit of the bulb out is already present. 

Instead of aiding safety, removing the car parking without installing a bulb out or bike corral may have the effect of increasing the turning radius available to cars approaching the intersection, thus encouraging speeding.  The cars currently parked at the intersection, ugly as they are, have a slight traffic calming effect because they narrow the roadway in the eyes of the motorist.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Removing parked cars is good for beautification, and that's reason enough to do more of it.  And in-street bike parking is the best! </p>
<p>But removing the parked cars as a safety tool?  One can currently treat the parked cars as bulb outs of sorts;  while waiting to cross the street,  stand near the end of the car bumper, not on the curb. The short street crossing benefit of the bulb out is already present. </p>
<p>Instead of aiding safety, removing the car parking without installing a bulb out or bike corral may have the effect of increasing the turning radius available to cars approaching the intersection, thus encouraging speeding.  The cars currently parked at the intersection, ugly as they are, have a slight traffic calming effect because they narrow the roadway in the eyes of the motorist.</p>
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