How Seville Handles Where Bus Stops and Protected Bike Lanes Meet

Sunday, July 1, 2018

How Seville Handles Where Bus Stops and Protected Bike Lanes Meet

If you're jonesing for more Seville on top of the full-length Streetfilm about the city's rapidly growing protected bike lane network, here's a segment for you.

For cities considering protected bike lanes on streets that also have bus routes, this short video shows how Seville thought through the problem of making bus riders and cyclists visible to each other at bus stops.

Patrick94GSR .

I cannot believe that’s a 2-way path. That’s ridiculously narrow for 2 way traffic, especially at those areas where the path offsets.

How does one using a box bike, or cargo bike, or bakfiets bike, or hauling a trailer, or on a bent trike or tricycle, expect to navigate such a narrow path with other bicycle traffic oncoming?
Clarence Eckerson Jr.

Very carefully. But you have to remember that these paths were hammered in back when 0.3% of the population was bicycling which has now soared to 8 to 10%.
crazyvag

I count 4 passing instances of bikes passing each other without a problem. Maybe our expectation of a bike lane is too wide?

Another way to look at it. Would you rather have a bike lane as one in the video or a sharrow?

They are similarly narrow in Japan where they are separated by a painted lane on the sidewalk: https://sportifycities.files.wordpress.com/2016/07/bicyclelanepavement_report_2.jpg
http://www.twitter.com/menorman Marven Norman

No, our expectations are not "too wide". Mounds of research have shown that the space is important, particularly for two-way facilities behind shelters. And no, Japanese bikeways that consist of putting a stripe down the middle of a sidewalk are not examples to be emulated either. Bikes are pedestrians. Trying to shove them together just causes problems for everyone and throttles the potential for biking.
http://www.twitter.com/menorman Marven Norman

Yes, they did it, but it's definitely not a great solution by any stretch of the imagination. Any community that is taking the time to move curbs and pour concrete should definitely do everything possible to get as close to best practice as possible, especially considering the expense involved in moving hardscape around in the future.
Josh Handel

Indeed. 1-way bikeways should be 2.5m (8.2 ft), two-way bikeways should be 4m (13.1 ft).
Guy Ross

Pedantic but there is no painted line separating the two. The yellow is a textured lane to guide the visually impaired.
Elizabeth Hitchens

Marven Norman, you are mistaken, bikes are NOT pedestrians under California vehicle code. They are vehicles and must obey traffic signs and signals.

Basically, if both of your feet are on the same side of the frame, pedestrian rules apply; if your feet are on both sides of the frame, vehicle rules apply.

If you WALK your bike at a pedestrian crosswalk, yes, you are a pedestrian and cars must stop to allow you to cross; if you RIDE your bike at a pedestrian crosswalk, you are a vehicle, and you must wait until the way is clear.
http://www.twitter.com/menorman Marven Norman

Yes, I apparently missed the "not" in that sentence.
crazyvag

I agree that shoving them together is not ideal, but if space is at a premium, which option will give you less total injuries and fatalities:
1) Put bikes and e-scooters on the street with cars
2) Put bikes and e-scooters on sidewalks with pedestrians

My point is that option #2 wis more deadly, and #1 is preferred over #1. Also, anytime you see a discussion of pedestrians vs e-scooters, you've fallen into the trap since proper conversation is about safety of people on e-scooters vs those in cars
http://www.twitter.com/menorman Marven Norman

If space is at a premium, then get rid of the most egregious offender of inefficient use of space: private cars.
crazyvag

That's the obvious answer... but what if you can't do that in practice because huge backlash from neighbors. Would you leave e-scooters and bikes in the street - which seems to be the SF choice - or make narrow lanes?

After watching how long it takes to get anything done in SF - we have 5 lane wide lanes with parking on both sides, but have to fight pedestrians, fire department, drivers and pretty much everyone to improve safety. Gotta wonder how many lives we'd save with a few more scooters on the sidewalk.
Jack O’ Lantern

That's the key statement right there. No one wants to challenge the private car. Because of this, transportation policy is not geared towards "transportation" (in all its forms) but rather cars.

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