Comments on: Select Bus Service Debuts on Manhattan’s East Side

By: Steven Vance

Steven Vance — Fri, 15 Oct 2010 15:15:52 +0000

How did NACTO contribute to the production of this Streetfilm?

By: Jay

Jay — Fri, 15 Oct 2010 14:02:48 +0000

People in The Bronx figured out how to use SBS without much trouble at all.

How is it that people in Manhattan (with a higher average level of education) seem to be having so much difficulty?

I think it's really just a lot of complaining about anything that's slightly different...

By: zach

zach — Fri, 15 Oct 2010 12:02:29 +0000

Greg:

1. Cars can still use the bus lane for turning. The possibility of not being able to turn freaks out the drivers, many of whom are politicians.

2. This infrastructure is less permanent, so that those who see it bound to fail don't feel so invested.

Yes, of course we should have put in real BRT, and were it that the mayor had absolute power we probably would have. That's the problem with democracy.

By: Greg

Greg — Fri, 15 Oct 2010 11:16:00 +0000

Obvious question, but someone has to ask: Why didn't the city implement a complete real Bus Rapid Transit system on 2nd Avenue instead of wasting billions on the 2nd Ave subway? Real BRT would've cost a tiny fraction of the subway cost, and could've been operating now instead of 2030 or whenever the dig will be done.

By: Emily Litella

Emily Litella — Fri, 15 Oct 2010 03:54:23 +0000

SBS WILL be a smashing success and continuously improved. However NYCT did and continues to do a pathetic job of informing the public and even its own employees on the particulars of how everything works. Fore example, if you buy a receipt and then change your mind and choose to board an M15 local, you CAN do it if you have an unlimited card because the Local is (to the computer) technically a different route from the SBS. The Coin Fare Collector is a horror show and virtually unusable without much trial and error by potential customers. Even so, most people are reacting positively and patiently despite the near total lack of posted information and instruction. We can only pray that the cops keep up the pressure on lane violators and SBS speed rises to the point where people notice a significant cut in travel time. Good video by the way. Compare that with the useless one on MTA.INFO showing a time lapse of the bus wrap process. Really they do insult our intelligence.

By: Bill

Bill — Fri, 15 Oct 2010 02:10:57 +0000

My office is around 42nd and Second so I often walk up or down the avenue. So far, the new terracotta bus lane seems just like another place to park. I would say that there are about two to three trucks parked in it each block. The SBS bus can't use it and stays mostly in the neighboring lane, except to pull in and board/ discharge passengers. I suspected this would happen and with little enforcement, it has. The new boarding methods may improve travel times. I'm not so sure the SBS lane (in its current form) will add much.

By: Joel Epstein

Joel Epstein — Fri, 15 Oct 2010 00:53:57 +0000

Great looking project and film! I look forward to riding and blogging about it when I am in NY in November. By then there should be good data on reduced travel times and customer satisfaction. Especially like the off-bus fare collection which seems to save time and avoid the backup at the fare box. Congrats to NYC and DOT!

By: Alon Levy

Alon Levy — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 22:37:17 +0000

No, bike and bus lanes are separate in New York, as they should be.

Sadly, the proof of payment system on the SBS is a major fail. It has all of the following pathologies:

1. Buses sit still during fare inspections.

2. SBS and the local buses have two incompatible fare systems, and do not share stations. So passengers have to decide ahead of time which bus to wait for, halving the effective frequency.

3. Even people with valid unlimited cards have to swipe at the stations to get a receipt; they can't just board and then show their unlimited cards at inspections.

By: Charlie

Charlie — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:30:26 +0000

Love the off-board payment. We have some BRT-like routes in Boston, but riders must board the front of the bus and pay their fare on-board. As expected, this can slow the process significantly.

meb, Are bikes allowed to use the bus lanes in NYC? In Boston, they put big bike symbols on the dedicated bus lanes, so they are really bus/bike lanes. I know they do this in Paris and other cities as well.

By: meb

meb — Thu, 14 Oct 2010 17:11:57 +0000

Sadly, as much as I think SBS is a step in the right direction, my bike commute on the UES and in midtown east on 1st and 2nd has become more dangerous. They could have at least made an effort and put some of those sharrows on the road for people trying to get around by bike.