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		<title>By: Glen</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/velib%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-258903</link>
		<dc:creator>Glen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Mar 2011 22:40:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Of course, in order to get JC Decaux to administer the bike-share programme, the taxpayers of Paris give away a staggering $34 million per year in combined free advertising space and revenue sharing.  That makes it by far the most expensive bike-sharing plan in the world, hardly something to brag about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, in order to get JC Decaux to administer the bike-share programme, the taxpayers of Paris give away a staggering $34 million per year in combined free advertising space and revenue sharing.  That makes it by far the most expensive bike-sharing plan in the world, hardly something to brag about.</p>
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		<title>By: Eneko</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/velib%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-215664</link>
		<dc:creator>Eneko</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Dec 2010 20:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sorry but I thought this was a post about public bike share programs, not about the helmet issue. Please. 

I want to pose a question: 
How does Eric Britton calculate that 10% of modal shift from car drivers to bike share users? 

I think is too much. Experience in Spain tells that bike share users were before public transport customers, pedestrian or private bike riders. Only a very few were car drivers.

A second question for the book keeping:
Calculate the annual budget of the scheme simply multiplying that amount of bicycles by barely 4.000 US Dollars per bike per year. And now try to calculate the savings of it.

Is so easy to make estimations and statistics when you are trying to advocate something...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sorry but I thought this was a post about public bike share programs, not about the helmet issue. Please. </p>
<p>I want to pose a question:<br />
How does Eric Britton calculate that 10% of modal shift from car drivers to bike share users? </p>
<p>I think is too much. Experience in Spain tells that bike share users were before public transport customers, pedestrian or private bike riders. Only a very few were car drivers.</p>
<p>A second question for the book keeping:<br />
Calculate the annual budget of the scheme simply multiplying that amount of bicycles by barely 4.000 US Dollars per bike per year. And now try to calculate the savings of it.</p>
<p>Is so easy to make estimations and statistics when you are trying to advocate something...</p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/velib%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-47381</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:37:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>P.S.

It turns out that Paris gets it&#039;s bikes from a company whose city rental page is under construction but one that believes in motors especially for &#039;b2b&#039; (like mailman truck to bike infrastructure)

http://www.accell-pro.com/product03.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>P.S.</p>
<p>It turns out that Paris gets it's bikes from a company whose city rental page is under construction but one that believes in motors especially for 'b2b' (like mailman truck to bike infrastructure)</p>
<p><a href="http://www.accell-pro.com/product03.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.accell-pro.com/product03.html</a></p>
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		<title>By: Karl</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/velib%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-47341</link>
		<dc:creator>Karl</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 28 Dec 2009 00:02:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So I saw this video while waiting for the final senate vote on healthcare here in teh USA last week!  I missed most of the vote!

These racks deserve greater variety including electric augmentation of the drive train that the rack could recharge.  Additional cargo, comfort suspensions, are all the result of a few hundred bucks extra per bike.  If your nto having to take the bike upstairs, on board transit etc., it iwaying more doesn&#039;t matter.

AS to how much muscling a user must provide trhat is up to the owner of the bike.   Unless you have a dr. say you can&#039;t pedal at all you can require justu as much peddle energy from users.  But lower pressure tires that have less maintenance etc. drawbacks and travel at least as fast with no more effort could have this project having grown far more in now It&#039;s fourth Calendars Eve!

The point o fsharing is that it iallows greater capital investment for a lower user cost/contribution!  Instead we see these program getting real dogs insuering there marginalityu and largely amusement value despite the &quot;big number&quot; claimed.

Of course I love the video.  It&#039;s a project that needs no subsidy if it gets improved for other cities.


As to the helmet issue the link is appreciated and if you appreciate the truth regarding them then recognise a little more discipline in respectin gthe facts concerning power at least assisted ultralight (no more about approaching body weight of passenger at most!) vehicles for cities!

Imagine for example what bike only boulevards would cost if nto subsidised by cars compared to faster bike roads- yes this means accepting the premise that greater adoption would require more then two, GASP!, lanes devoted soley to nonpedestrian/car use!  At that point additional lanes are very costly and can be avoided entirely by speeding up the &#039;bikes&#039; a bit.  20 something MPH with very consistent acceleration depaves accomidations for noncars more then free breakfast bars several times a week can hope to.

Adam, some 15 months ago, seeks safe space- I say yeah, but an affordable, sustainable amount should be sought- that means openin gour minds to modern amenities like sharing the chain with a computer brain and maybe even some compressed methane out of a fiber tank if batteries are not ready yet.

So to recap- bikes need not be speed segregrated, maximum speeds can be lowered, and minimums imposed to make for less congestion and greater sharing of paths. It is the helmet or not issue generalised. The car is a cancerous helmet.  More green lights allows lower peek speeds to shorten times spent commuting.  Maintaing peek cruising speeds requires most commuters either ride tandem bikes or share there two wheels with a nonhuman form robot within the frame.  Doing so allows  for tolerance of greater turbulence, safer riding positions.



Our present day bikes use the same wheel to stop with that they use to coast on!  Like cars do.   Bikes can be so much safer then cars given there lower mass.   Adding additional features to them is so much more possible then with cars.  It is cars that are largely all the same because of there budget busting scale.

With bikes we can share, we can invest and maximise life cycle costs instead of just getting by as cheaply as possible up front.


Shared bikes should b eotherwise unaffordable to own privately.  They should represent the very best modern science has to offer not throwback to fantasy and tourist fascination.


Confronted with the choice of a car, ones own bike, or an ongoing contribution to  ashared system incorporating these narrow miracles most of us would escape the war lubricating addiction and believe it or not most of us need not have the imagination to know what would be the result- just to recognise what we want of the offered alternatives.

As the &#039;papercut&#039; film maker liked to note, Henry mocked those who sought better carriages for there horses.  Don&#039;t we continue to beg for such mockery of ourselves?  The car followed the high skill and support needs of the horse drawn solution.  NOwadays we have better tools that allow us to move alone, freely, without even havin gto pay much attention nor sweat to navigation.

A good bike is seen as too expensive by most who get hustled into using cars.  Yes it&#039;s cheaper if you don&#039;t have to provide parking for the bike you use- but ....  don&#039;t ignore the cars still being used!

Reducing the amount that must be spent on the road to accomidate a human powered bike frees up thousands of dollars to improve that bike so as to enable it to gobble up far less ashpault!   Providing public museum era bikes is a disgrace premised on further decades of marginalising non car solutions.

One could even say a reason to not motorise these bikes is then NOBODY would pay as everyon ewould be done in under half an hour.  Taxes gthough, would still come down.  Depaving budgets would increase.  Much oil would be left in the sand for the next milleniums planning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I saw this video while waiting for the final senate vote on healthcare here in teh USA last week!  I missed most of the vote!</p>
<p>These racks deserve greater variety including electric augmentation of the drive train that the rack could recharge.  Additional cargo, comfort suspensions, are all the result of a few hundred bucks extra per bike.  If your nto having to take the bike upstairs, on board transit etc., it iwaying more doesn't matter.</p>
<p>AS to how much muscling a user must provide trhat is up to the owner of the bike.   Unless you have a dr. say you can't pedal at all you can require justu as much peddle energy from users.  But lower pressure tires that have less maintenance etc. drawbacks and travel at least as fast with no more effort could have this project having grown far more in now It's fourth Calendars Eve!</p>
<p>The point o fsharing is that it iallows greater capital investment for a lower user cost/contribution!  Instead we see these program getting real dogs insuering there marginalityu and largely amusement value despite the "big number" claimed.</p>
<p>Of course I love the video.  It's a project that needs no subsidy if it gets improved for other cities.</p>
<p>As to the helmet issue the link is appreciated and if you appreciate the truth regarding them then recognise a little more discipline in respectin gthe facts concerning power at least assisted ultralight (no more about approaching body weight of passenger at most!) vehicles for cities!</p>
<p>Imagine for example what bike only boulevards would cost if nto subsidised by cars compared to faster bike roads- yes this means accepting the premise that greater adoption would require more then two, GASP!, lanes devoted soley to nonpedestrian/car use!  At that point additional lanes are very costly and can be avoided entirely by speeding up the 'bikes' a bit.  20 something MPH with very consistent acceleration depaves accomidations for noncars more then free breakfast bars several times a week can hope to.</p>
<p>Adam, some 15 months ago, seeks safe space- I say yeah, but an affordable, sustainable amount should be sought- that means openin gour minds to modern amenities like sharing the chain with a computer brain and maybe even some compressed methane out of a fiber tank if batteries are not ready yet.</p>
<p>So to recap- bikes need not be speed segregrated, maximum speeds can be lowered, and minimums imposed to make for less congestion and greater sharing of paths. It is the helmet or not issue generalised. The car is a cancerous helmet.  More green lights allows lower peek speeds to shorten times spent commuting.  Maintaing peek cruising speeds requires most commuters either ride tandem bikes or share there two wheels with a nonhuman form robot within the frame.  Doing so allows  for tolerance of greater turbulence, safer riding positions.</p>
<p>Our present day bikes use the same wheel to stop with that they use to coast on!  Like cars do.   Bikes can be so much safer then cars given there lower mass.   Adding additional features to them is so much more possible then with cars.  It is cars that are largely all the same because of there budget busting scale.</p>
<p>With bikes we can share, we can invest and maximise life cycle costs instead of just getting by as cheaply as possible up front.</p>
<p>Shared bikes should b eotherwise unaffordable to own privately.  They should represent the very best modern science has to offer not throwback to fantasy and tourist fascination.</p>
<p>Confronted with the choice of a car, ones own bike, or an ongoing contribution to  ashared system incorporating these narrow miracles most of us would escape the war lubricating addiction and believe it or not most of us need not have the imagination to know what would be the result- just to recognise what we want of the offered alternatives.</p>
<p>As the 'papercut' film maker liked to note, Henry mocked those who sought better carriages for there horses.  Don't we continue to beg for such mockery of ourselves?  The car followed the high skill and support needs of the horse drawn solution.  NOwadays we have better tools that allow us to move alone, freely, without even havin gto pay much attention nor sweat to navigation.</p>
<p>A good bike is seen as too expensive by most who get hustled into using cars.  Yes it's cheaper if you don't have to provide parking for the bike you use- but ....  don't ignore the cars still being used!</p>
<p>Reducing the amount that must be spent on the road to accomidate a human powered bike frees up thousands of dollars to improve that bike so as to enable it to gobble up far less ashpault!   Providing public museum era bikes is a disgrace premised on further decades of marginalising non car solutions.</p>
<p>One could even say a reason to not motorise these bikes is then NOBODY would pay as everyon ewould be done in under half an hour.  Taxes gthough, would still come down.  Depaving budgets would increase.  Much oil would be left in the sand for the next milleniums planning.</p>
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		<title>By: Adam</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/velib%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17772</link>
		<dc:creator>Adam</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Aug 2008 18:24:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While I feel a bit safer wearing a helmet I know it won&#039;t save me if a truck runs me over. Helmets provide minimal protection in minor incidents. Most cyclist ending up in ERs have broken spines, necks, crushed bones, burst internal organs. The problem in USA is not &quot;not wearing a helmet&quot; but it&#039;s &quot;not having safe space for cycling&quot; and &quot;not enough punishment for drivers for hurting cyclists and pedestrians&quot;.

A.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I feel a bit safer wearing a helmet I know it won't save me if a truck runs me over. Helmets provide minimal protection in minor incidents. Most cyclist ending up in ERs have broken spines, necks, crushed bones, burst internal organs. The problem in USA is not "not wearing a helmet" but it's "not having safe space for cycling" and "not enough punishment for drivers for hurting cyclists and pedestrians".</p>
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		<title>By: amsterdamize</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/velib%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17442</link>
		<dc:creator>amsterdamize</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 21:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sure people will take offense, but I&#039;m getting extremely tired of the helmet issue. Stop mirroring the US situation to bicycle friendly countries and cities elsewhere, educate yourself (thanks Elizabeth, now I don&#039;t have to post that link) and try to liberate yourself from the &#039;cycling is dangerous&#039; mindset. 

It&#039;s really remarkable what the Velib&#039; program has accomplished in just one year. And really, Parisiens were hardly overall friendly to the idea of giving up space to the bicycle. Anything is possible if there&#039;s will and sustained policy/planning. I&#039;d know, I&#039;m from Amsterdam.

cheers</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I'm sure people will take offense, but I'm getting extremely tired of the helmet issue. Stop mirroring the US situation to bicycle friendly countries and cities elsewhere, educate yourself (thanks Elizabeth, now I don't have to post that link) and try to liberate yourself from the 'cycling is dangerous' mindset. </p>
<p>It's really remarkable what the Velib' program has accomplished in just one year. And really, Parisiens were hardly overall friendly to the idea of giving up space to the bicycle. Anything is possible if there's will and sustained policy/planning. I'd know, I'm from Amsterdam.</p>
<p>cheers</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Evans</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/velib%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17440</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Evans</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 19:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great video, will circulate.  As for helmets, just take a look at http://www.cyclehelmets.org/ then make your own mind up!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great video, will circulate.  As for helmets, just take a look at <a href="http://www.cyclehelmets.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.cyclehelmets.org/</a> then make your own mind up!</p>
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		<title>By: Elizabeth Press</title>
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		<dc:creator>Elizabeth Press</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 17:13:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well Clarence, velib comes directly from the words velo (Bicycle) + liberte (Freedom). I tried to show this in the intro of the video. As for the helmet question lrask - maybe this is just something you want to work on inventing? Self-service bikes might work well with self-service helmets...whatever it is, I really hope those cities who are considering public bike programs get creative with the helmet question instead of using it as an easy excuse.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well Clarence, velib comes directly from the words velo (Bicycle) + liberte (Freedom). I tried to show this in the intro of the video. As for the helmet question lrask - maybe this is just something you want to work on inventing? Self-service bikes might work well with self-service helmets...whatever it is, I really hope those cities who are considering public bike programs get creative with the helmet question instead of using it as an easy excuse.</p>
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		<title>By: Eric Mankin</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eric Mankin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 12:48:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What a great video!  I tried bike sharing in Vienna, which is a much smaller system, but it seems great.  Looking forward to using it in the USA!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a great video!  I tried bike sharing in Vienna, which is a much smaller system, but it seems great.  Looking forward to using it in the USA!</p>
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		<title>By: Jared Burke</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/velib%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17430</link>
		<dc:creator>Jared Burke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jul 2008 01:39:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great video. I&#039;m a huge fan of the helmet cam. I think you should produce a bicycle version of C&#039;était un Rendez-vous next time you&#039;re in Paris. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great video. I'm a huge fan of the helmet cam. I think you should produce a bicycle version of C'était un Rendez-vous next time you're in Paris. <img src='http://www.streetfilms.org/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Fritz</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/velib%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17426</link>
		<dc:creator>Fritz</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:28:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>No helmets with the bikes--bring your own if you want.  But, I can say that riding Velib in Prais I felt far safer than riding in Philly or Baltimore... except for when I decided to circle the Place de la Concorde with the cars (imagine Philly City Hall without traffic lanes).  I lived in the far north of Paris and there was a protected bike lane all the way to the center of Paris where there is good protected bike coverage too.  I rode during the day and at night.  Even in Montmartre where there weren&#039;t many bike lanes I felt safe because traffic was relatively low.  I think Paris has done a good job of putting in separated lanes where there is traffic making the &#039;need&#039; for helmets much less.  But, I fall firmly on the side of &quot;wear a helmet if you want to, but a mass biking system will only happen when people don&#039;t feel they need to wear helmets.&quot;  Also, for statistics, I know that France as a whole has far fewer bike accidents per ride than the U.S.  Not sure I can compare Paris to any other city.  I know John Pucher (http://policy.rutgers.edu/faculty/pucher/) had some statistics about it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No helmets with the bikes--bring your own if you want.  But, I can say that riding Velib in Prais I felt far safer than riding in Philly or Baltimore... except for when I decided to circle the Place de la Concorde with the cars (imagine Philly City Hall without traffic lanes).  I lived in the far north of Paris and there was a protected bike lane all the way to the center of Paris where there is good protected bike coverage too.  I rode during the day and at night.  Even in Montmartre where there weren't many bike lanes I felt safe because traffic was relatively low.  I think Paris has done a good job of putting in separated lanes where there is traffic making the 'need' for helmets much less.  But, I fall firmly on the side of "wear a helmet if you want to, but a mass biking system will only happen when people don't feel they need to wear helmets."  Also, for statistics, I know that France as a whole has far fewer bike accidents per ride than the U.S.  Not sure I can compare Paris to any other city.  I know John Pucher (<a href="http://policy.rutgers.edu/faculty/pucher/" rel="nofollow">http://policy.rutgers.edu/faculty/pucher/</a>) had some statistics about it.</p>
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		<title>By: Clarence Eckerson Jr.</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/velib%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17425</link>
		<dc:creator>Clarence Eckerson Jr.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 20:01:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Call me a dope, but now I know the origin of the word Velib.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Call me a dope, but now I know the origin of the word Velib.</p>
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		<title>By: lrask</title>
		<link>http://www.streetfilms.org/velib%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-17423</link>
		<dc:creator>lrask</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 18:13:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about helmets? how many ghost bikes are there in paris?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about helmets? how many ghost bikes are there in paris?</p>
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